Structural Resonance Alignment - Control in Relationships

Structural Resonance Alignment Interview from the Desteni Farm: http://desteni.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=290&t=16455


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cq_clYfjg6Q

1 - Control in relationships

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMRAkDwFhTQ

2 - Control in relationships

Ok, this is Jorn’s Resonances and … we start with why we’re doing this interview is we’ve seen a Physical ‘play-out’ that’s Currently busy Manifesting in your and Marlen’s Agreement uhm… that is at the moment still ‘Unconscious’, but it’s Manifesting in your ‘Physical Movement’ interestingly enough with each other.
The ‘Physical Movement’ that’s ‘interplaying’ between the two of you is that you’re still Allowing yourself to ‘stand-back’ in a form of uhm… a reserved ‘retreat’ and Marlen is ‘tiptoeing’ around that application of you –in other words, she’ll be kind of moving ‘around’-you Physically ‘very fast’ in a form of anxiety, because she doesn’t yet know how-to ‘place’ your Current Manifestation of Yourself within Yourself - meaning she doesn’t yet know ‘how’-to Direct-it within ‘her world’ because she hasn’t particularly ‘faced’ such a point before - she isn’t even yet Consciously ‘aware’ of-it - this whole ‘play-out’ – it’s ‘Physically’-happening within both of your Movements.
So for example, let’s say that Marlen would be here, your approach in terms of how you are standing is still like this: kind of ‘backwards’ uhm, ‘reserved’ / ‘retreat’. It’s not yet a Full ‘Equal and One’ ‘Acceptance’ and ‘Embracing’ of yourself with her, does that make sense?
Jorn: Yeah, it does
So we have to look-at ‘what’…’where’, because in ‘why’ and ‘how this Manifest ‘inside’-you in terms-of How it’s looking ‘Physically’, is that you are ‘underlyingly’ ‘here’- that if here’s your body, your legs, arms, ‘underlyingly’ here you are Participating with-her – meaning in terms-of certain ‘points’, the ‘Platform’ that we’ve discussed in the previous agreements, I mean that’s pretty cool that you guys have, you know that ‘Platform’ is there. But now, that ‘Platform’ is still a ‘Structured-System’ that both of you are living in terms-of your ‘Equal and One’ Support within your Agreement – meaning when the points come-up, you’ll discuss it, you’ll look at it , you’ll open it up – that ‘Support’-point established quite well in the ‘Platform’- but now we’re looking-at ‘Physical’ ‘Equal and One’ ‘Participation’ wherein, in ‘Living’ this point, your Experience of yourself and with her will be much more surprisingly unexpectedly ‘fun’, wherein you’ll have Moments of spontaneity, that you hadn’t experienced before –
So ‘underlyingly’ you are still participating with her - from the perspective I’ve explained now - yet here within your Mind, there’s another ‘Reality’ within-which you’re still Accepting and Allowing Yourself to ‘Participate’, it’s ‘Influencing’ your Agreement that’s ‘Here’ in the ‘Physical’ –
So ‘where’ and ‘what’ is Currently ‘Preoccupying’-you within your Mind that is Not-coming to a point-of ‘Solution’ in terms-of ‘Stopping’ that’s currently ‘Possessing’-you uhm… ‘more’ than your Participation within your Agreement with Marlen - what’s been happening?
Jorn: yeah, well it’s interesting because we discussed the point about my finger being hurt and I traced back basically ‘what’ was going on within my ‘Thinking process’, and I traced it back to where I am for example busy with the SRA video’s at of moment which is a lot of processing, and there was a point where something wasn’t working ‘as I expected’ so something ‘unexpected’ happened and stuff deleted, I had to do it again and I created like a ‘victimized state’ – I said like ‘Ok what’s happening ‘to me’? – you know I created like this ‘resistance’ or this ‘energy’ at that moment. And what happened in-there is I get basically ‘preoccupied’ with like a ‘charge’ of ‘Ok, something is ‘against me’- so to speak, uhm and that gets then/ is then ‘preoccupying’-me basically in everything I do - whether it is dishwashing or anything basically.
Resonances: Ok, so you’re still allowing ‘Points’ to ‘Control’-you in which You-‘Feel’ you have No-‘Control’ over
Jorn: yeah exactly, I played a ‘victim’- which I saw that I ‘played that out’ when I looked/ I traced it back and, that created a point where I would ‘get it done’- because I was working with a ‘resistance’ which eventually led to like a Physical ‘Interruption’-of: ok ‘End’
Resonances: and to that you reacted quite extensively
Jorn: right, well… Initially I didn’t, I wasn’t like ‘concerned’ about it but I realized like ‘Ok this is really a Point where I, where there is like really a ‘Stop’ like a ‘break-point’ of a Pattern that I’m ‘playing-out’ – so I realized like ‘Ok, I’m having this ‘Idea’ in my head or an ‘Energy’-created-‘Idea’, something that I’m ‘resisting’ and that ‘plays-out’ and that was very clear for me
Resonances: Ok, so - if you have a look at that point that ‘triggered’ the reaction that you experienced that took you into a point of ‘Possession’ within your Mind [Jorn: jah] what this is ‘showing’ from your Total ‘Beingness’ perspective is that you still want-to be ‘In-Control’ of your Reality at all-times [Jorn: yeah] and if there’s a point where you’re Not ‘In-Control’ of-it, you’ll go into ‘Reaction’, to almost like a ‘Possessive-Reaction’ inside yourself [Jorn: yeah] wherein you’ll ‘fight’ with that-‘point’ [Jorn: yeah] to, through ‘fighting’ ‘Control’-it so that you can through being able to ‘Control’-it, Manifest-it into your ‘Reality of Control’, wherein ‘I’ve got ‘Control’ of it’ – it’s almost like a ‘free-horse’ that’s running and you’re ‘roping’-it to ‘control’-it [Jorn: yeah]- that form of ‘approach’ you’re taking with points that you ‘feel’ that you have ‘Control’-over.
Jorn: yeah
Now we’ve gotta look-at like the ‘free-horse’ example, you’d have to look at ‘Freedom of Expression’ and ‘Living’
Jorn: yeah, for example one…
Resonances: ‘This’, this you haven’t Allowed Yourself to Actually ‘do’ and that’s why your ‘Physical Participation’ with Marlen is Not Complete-‘Unconditional’, you’re still within your Mind ‘Observing’-it ‘As’ an Agreement uhm…but Not-‘Participating’ ‘within’-it. So your ‘status’ within the Agreement is still as ‘Observer’, because you’ve got the ‘Agreement’ in ‘Application’ as a ‘System’ inside your Mind – meaning your ‘approach’ towards the ‘Agreement’ is still ‘Systematic’, the ‘Assistance and Support Application’ -because it’s an ‘Application’ that’s ‘Systematic’ - you’re Not Actually ‘Living’ as a ‘Participant’ within the Agreement. That’s ‘why’ you’ll tend-to for example, go-‘into’ your Mind more uhm…because your ‘Reality’ is Currently ‘Existing’ as an ‘Observer’ – I mean, the ‘Mind-Reality’ is As ‘Observer’, therefore you’ll not be ‘in’ and ‘with’ and ‘as’ your Physical-Body ‘Here’ in the ‘Physical’ Participating ‘Equal and One’
Jorn: right
See Marlen at the moment in terms of her Expression is: she’s ‘Physical’, she’s ‘Here’ [Jorn: yeah] uhm…she’s had… she’s Applied that point of discipline of Actually ‘Stopping the Thoughts’ – meaning Not…Moving from ‘Observer’ to ‘Participant’ [Jorn: yeah] – whereas you’re still at the moment in Constant ‘Observer’-status, because of the ‘Point’-of ‘Control’ [Jorn: right] –You still ‘want’ to-be in ‘Control’ of Everything and Everyone in your ‘Reality’.
Jorn: yeah well this is like one point where this turns-out, like specifically that I can see in this event and this Consequence that ‘plays-out’, so I see that and then I realized like ‘Hey this is a Pattern that I’m playing-out’
Resonances: but let’s have a look at the ‘Pattern’ so that you can ‘Identify’ in terms-of Actually Practically working with-it for yourself - meaning to ‘move’-out of ‘Observer’ into ‘Physical-Reality’ as ‘Participant’ [Jorn: yeah] uhm… remember I’m using Marlen as an example, because at the moment in terms-of your ‘Reality’, you can’t yet-‘See’ what ‘Physical-Participation’ is, because you’ve never experienced-it before.
So, what happens in terms-of ‘Existing’ as an ‘Observer’ within your Reality is that you’ll, more ‘tend’-to go into ‘seclusion’, ‘Self-Seclusion’ – because what does a ‘Controller’ do? It stands in a point of ‘Dominance’, ‘Power’, like a ‘King’ – which in-that ‘aspect’ manifests an ‘Aloneness’ which goes ‘with’-it ‘automatically’ because you have to stand in a ‘point’-of ‘Perceived-Responsibility’ of your Reality, but that ‘Perceived-Responsibility’ of yourself in your Reality, you’ve defined as a ‘King’ in-‘Essence’ that must stand ‘alone’, must have a ‘dominant stance’, because it has a point-of ‘within’-that a ‘King’s definition is being that-of ‘Power’ – therefore, you’ll go into: ‘seclusion’, because if you look-at a ‘King’ that’s portrayed within movies and things like that, they’re always existing-‘as’ you’re currently existing within your reality
Jorn: yeah, so this ‘seclusion’ is that ‘retreat’ or ‘stepping-back’, referring to that point
Resonances: yes, where you’re not… that’s an ‘outflow’/ ‘Consequential outflow’-point of uhm…the ‘retreat’ and the ‘reservation’, the ‘retreat’ and ‘reservation’-point is coming as a Manifested Physical ‘out-play’ of You Accepting and Allowing this point-of ‘Control’ instead-of ‘Living’ uhm… at the same-time, there’s still ‘parts’ of-you that ‘you’ want the ‘control’-of, that you don’t wanna ‘let go’ inside your mind - meaning, there’s still ‘secret chambers’ that’s existing ‘in your head’ that you don’t wanna ‘let go’-of, that you want the ‘control’-over, because you’ve defined-it within the definition ‘of’ and ‘as’ ‘You’ as a ‘Controller’ uhm… within your world and your reality
Jorn: yeah, I can see those points clearly, I mean there are certain things that I ‘hold-onto’ as a definition which I’m not always like ‘conscious’-of but I realize in the way that I ‘react’ to ‘certain things’ that I do have points that I’ve ‘defined’ myself-as.
Resonances: But remember, you’re still only looking at ‘negative’, there’s also ‘positive’-polarity to ‘secret chambers’ within your Mind so to speak – So you have to look-at for example ‘where’ in your head is still for example ‘play’ in terms-of uhm…fantasizing about ‘different life’, ‘different worlds’, ‘people’…you know when you go ‘in your head’ and ‘play-out’ ‘scenes’ and things like-that uhm, that Application is still a ‘Holographic Imagery Projection’ in-which beings go ‘into’ to ‘Escape Reality’ for a moment, wherein ‘that’ is seen as a form-of ‘Enjoyment’ or ‘Pleasure’ instead-of Realizing the…or ‘Becoming’ the ‘Expression’ of ‘Living’ wherein ‘Pleasure’ and ‘Enjoyment’ becomes a point-of…or ‘manifests’ through-‘Sharing-Self’- which is a Completely different experience.

So, you’ll have to look-at ‘where’ and ‘how’ and with-‘what’ within your Mind you’re still Allowing Yourself to ‘Participate’ in ‘play-outs’ in relation-to ‘both’ ‘Positive’ and ‘Negative’ aspects, because remember in terms-of ‘Walking the Process’… in terms of ‘Stopping the Mind’, you’ve gotta look-at both ‘Negative’ and ‘Positive’, because the Mind exists ‘in’ and ‘as’ both-Polarities {Jorn: hmm] doesn’t help, you only stop the ‘Negative’ in terms-of only looking at ‘reactions’ you-have, you have to also look-at your ‘Pleasure’-points or ‘Enjoyment’-points where you Accept and Allow yourself to-go ‘into’ within your Mind [Jorn: yeah] – meaning ‘Pleasure’ and ‘Enjoyment’ that’s defined according-to ‘Imagery’ and ‘Pictures’ and ‘play-outs’ that can be simple things, Jorn, you’ve gotta-be ‘specific’ with those points uhm... in terms-of seeing ‘where’ your Mind or ‘where’ you-go ‘into’ your Mind in both ‘positive’ and ‘negative’ aspects, does that make sense?
Jorn: yeah, it does make sense
Resonances: Because if you only work on the ‘negative’ you are still feeding the ‘positive’, and therefore in-‘Essence’ Justifying ‘still’ remaining-‘defined’ within and as the Mind, but you’re using that Justification through-saying like for example: ‘Oh, I’m working on my Process , I’m Stopping my Thoughts, my Reactions’ - but yet, ‘secretly’ there is still ‘points’ that you Accept and Allow-yourself to go ‘into’ within your Mind that’s ‘Pleasure’ or ‘Enjoyment’-based, does that makes sense?
Jorn: right, I see what you mean
Resonances: many beings ‘miss’ that – it’s fine details, it could be a ‘fleeting’ moment, ‘daydreaming’, of various-things - gotta be ‘aware’ of that, because that’s become so…or such a ‘Natural’-thing to do for people that they don’t ‘Realize’ the Actual Consequential ‘Effect’ it has on ‘their-Living’ within Actual Reality, because then you…then that point of…let’s say for example, there is a ‘Pleasure’ or ‘Enjoyment’-point within your Mind that you quite…that you ‘often’ ‘visit’ uhm... then what happens is that ‘Pleasure’ or ‘Enjoyment’ Completely ‘Posses’-you and then you don’t ‘Live’ in ‘Actual Reality’ and then you miss the…what ‘Self-Enjoyment’ and ‘Self-Pleasure’ is within ‘Participating’ with someone in ‘Expression’ within ‘Living in the Physical’.
So you have to see ‘where’ you’ve ‘Created’ such points within your Mind both ‘positive’ and ‘negative’.
Jorn: yeah, I had arrived at that point where I realized like ‘Ok, I have to see where this happens, because I realized like ‘ok there’s this ‘Pattern’ that I’m still ‘playing-out’
Resonances: yeah where your Mind’s still ‘Possessing’-you in you in both ‘positive’ and ‘negative’ aspects
Jorn: Yeah
Resonances: so you are ‘Participating’ in a ‘Mind-Reality’ instead-of in Actual ‘Physical-Reality’. Then what happens is you ‘through’ your ‘Mind-Reality’ become an ‘Observer’ of the ‘Actual Reality’ instead of a ‘Participant’ - then you’ll ‘use’ the ‘Actual-Reality’ to ‘feed’-your ‘Mind-Reality’
Jorn: yeah, I see this mechanism, I’ve seen what… where I’ve done this or ‘points’ that still, that it ‘happens’ basically even-though you can at some point not be ‘bothered’ by-it, but when it comes back then you know like ‘Ok, it’s still there’
Resonances: yeah, no, you’ve gotta really ‘Physically’, ‘Practically’ move-through these ‘points’ –
So Jorn, what I suggest is in terms-of ‘Solution’-wise you gotta ‘push’-yourself to ‘Participate’-in ‘Physical Actual Reality’ with Beings, uhm… you’ve gotta ‘balance-out’ your day in terms-of sitting in front of the computer and being-out in the ‘Physical Reality’ – because uhm…at the moment your computer is another ‘Escapism’-point that you’re ‘using’ to be able-to ‘Experience’ this ‘point’-of ‘Self-Seclusion’ that’s Manifesting due-to your ‘stance’ within wanting to ‘Control’ your Reality, within the ‘Definition’ of-you in-‘Essence’ being a ‘King’ from your definition ‘originating’ from your ‘Definition’ / your ‘Idea’ of ‘Responsibility’ - ‘Self-Responsibility’ comes … or what ‘Self-Responsibility’ means is that you take ‘Responsibility’ for ‘Who you are’- you start with ‘yourself’ within ‘who you are’ first, then from there, you start ‘Directing’ your Reality. Then whatever ‘happens’ in your reality won’t ‘bring-up’ a ‘Reaction’ -what will Immediately come-up is ‘How do I Direct this ‘Point’ to an ‘Effective Solution’, makes sense?
Jorn: yeah, I see that definitely
Resonances: So I suggest, ‘balance-out’ your day, see if you can ‘Participate’ more… in terms of like working-out in the Farm, in Nature, just ‘Communicating’- does that make sense?
[Jorn: uh huh]
Resonances: because otherwise, your ‘Mind-Reality’ will ‘take-over’ in terms of ‘Full-Possession’ wherein you’ll ‘completely’ ‘lock’-yourself out-of ‘Actual Reality’ - and then, it becomes even more tough to get-out of that one, like really tough – because then you’ve gotta ‘break-down’ ‘everything’ that’s Manifested within-you, then you’ve got to literally ‘Start’ completely all-over-again from a ‘blank slate’ - and that usually ‘happens’-through… wherein your whole ‘Outer-Reality’ comes like… ‘falls apart’, because you’ve ‘linked’ your ‘Outer-Reality’ to your ‘Mind-Reality’. If your ‘Outer-Reality’ ‘falls apart’, your ‘Inner-Reality’ will ‘fall apart’ – meaning the ‘Mind Reality’, does that make sense?
Jorn: yeah I see
Resonances: So instead of having-to go to ‘that point’, ‘balance-out’ your World. Work in front of the computer for a certain amount of time and make sure you Participate in ‘Actual Reality’ for amount of time uhm…with Marlen remember ‘touch’, remember ‘communication’- even just ‘sitting’ with her or ‘lying-down’ with her for a moment, you know just ‘Being Physical’ in various-ways is already ‘coming-out’ of that point of ‘Mind-Reality-Seclusion’. You do it through ‘Physically’ pushing-yourself to ‘Physically-Participate’, because that will already ‘alter’ your ‘Mind-State’ from ‘Observer’ to ‘Participant’
Jorn: Yeah, I see what you mean
Resonance: and be aware of your ‘touch’ always uhm…because then you’ll know…then you’re already ‘shifting’-out of ‘Mind-Reality’ to ‘Participating’ in the ‘Actual Reality’
Jorn: Yeah, what I recognize is uhm…that within working with programs and software and computer… like that computer-thing that I’m now doing and this whole ‘King’ thing and ‘Dominance’ and all those words come-in when working with a program and trying to ‘control’ all those things that I’m working-with and then, creating basically this ‘Mind’-thing that I am carrying on my head basically
Resonances: Yeah, it’s like a throne…
Jorn: yeah so…
Resonances: I don’t see a problem ‘there’ particularly in terms-of your Application with Programming and things like that – meaning, you’re quite ‘good’ with-it, you’re quite ‘stable’ in-it
Jorn: yeah, but what I meant with this is in that process of like ‘learning’-it and all that I created that ‘resistance’-point of, you know like ‘fighting’-something and there, this ‘energy’ started developing and that’s what I see very clearly
Resonances: where the Point-of ‘Control’ is again coming-out
Jorn: and that became like…that escalated…
Resonances: then it became a Point of ‘Possession’: ‘I ‘Must’ fucking ‘Control’ this now and then that point ‘Possesses’-you and you ‘forget’-about everything-else, and then you become so ‘Focused’ on only this ‘one point’ and then ‘takes you over’
Jorn: yeah
Resonances: careful of that
Jorn: yeah well that’s what I clearly see that happened actually so…
Resonances: So now How to Correct-it:
‘Equalize your day’: so-much-time in front of the computer /so-much-time in your ‘Physical Reality’ why? So that you can Create your ‘Physical-Reality’ ‘Platform’, so that you Remember: ‘The Physical’ Jorn: yeah, ‘balance-it-out’, balance-it-out with ‘Physical’.
Resonances: So when you sit in front of your computer, you ‘Access’ that point because it takes a, it takes focus, it takes concentration uhm…wherein you’re ‘homed’ onto this ‘one’-point constantly, but to make sure it doesn’t become a point of ‘Possession’- you ‘Extract’-yourself from that ‘Momentary’-Reality for a moment, ‘Participate’ = ‘Physical-Reality’
Jorn: yeah, it’s like taking ‘brakes’, like ‘stopping’-it and really-‘stopping’ and then doing something ‘Physical’ and returning here
Resonances: yeah, because then what you’ll find will happen is once the ‘Equilibrium’ is ‘set’, your ‘Participation’ within the programming will be ‘Here’, your ‘Whole-Reality’ within-which you ‘move’ will be ‘Here-Physically’- it won’t be ‘Separate’-realities in within-which…what you are currently busy-doing is: this has become a ‘Separate-Reality’ and the ‘Physical’ is becoming a ‘Separate-Reality’
Jorn: yeah
Resonances: there doesn’t-‘exist’ ‘Two’ ‘Separate-Realities’, you are ‘Here in the Physical’= One Reality, this is where you wanna be, your Mind is again ‘Separating’-you from ‘Actual Reality’
Jorn: yeah
Resonances: So you wanna ‘stabilize’-you within the ‘Physical-Reality’, this you do by ‘Equalizing’ your ‘Participation’
Jorn: yeah, I can definitely ‘see’ that I ‘disappeared’ and ‘digitized’ and basically ‘digitized’-myself completely - it’s very clear within How I ‘absorbed’-completely into…like ‘disappeared’-almost, ‘vanished’-basically – I can definitely see that
Resonances: So, it’s… I’m busy ‘Manifesting’-now in terms-of being… the ‘outflow’ is being ‘problematic’ in terms-of this ‘play-out’, so instead-of it having to ‘go’-there, you can Apply Yourself into ‘Correction’ through being-aware of the ‘Physical Reality’ and taking…and ‘Participating’-with…then you’ll Start-‘Living ‘– which is Completely-‘Different’ to what you are Currently ‘Existing’-within now
Jorn: jah, definitely because previously I was doing more ‘Physical’-stuff uhm… and that like actually Supported… was actually Supporting Myself
Resonances: yeah, I could see you were a lot more ‘closer’ with Marlen as well during that stage and now you’re kind-of ‘moving away’
Jorn, yeah and I recognize that ‘Pattern’ because it happened…it’s like something that I see from the ‘past’ as something I’ve done before, like a certain-‘way’ of doing-things in a kind of ‘Self-Destructive’ way, so to speak
Resonances: ok, so it’s a ‘habit’ of becoming ‘Possessed’ by a point
Jorn: Yeah
Resonances: Instead of ‘Directing’-you ‘As’ the Point
Jorn: Definitely
Resonances: Ok so you’ve got that ‘flag’-point for yourself
Jorn: Yeah
Resonances: to Not-become ‘Possessed’- if you feel you’re spending ‘too much time’ on a point, you know: ‘Jorn, be careful here, I’m going into my mind, I’m sitting in this one-place all this time: problem, get out’
Jorn: yeah
Resonances: Stop, ‘Participate’ in ‘Physical Reality’- you actually wanna Stop-.Yourself ‘before’ you go-into that point of ‘Possession’- that you do through is just breathing ‘I’m Here in my Physical Reality, I Participate, ‘make coffee’, ‘talk to people’, ‘work’ uhm... and then when you sit in front of a computer it doesn’t become a point of ‘Possession’, it becomes a point-of ‘Participation’- then everything you do in your ‘Reality’ becomes ‘Equal and One’, why? Because I’m Here
Jorn: hmm hmm
Resonances: makes sense?
Jorn: Clear, Yeah
Resonances: Ok, so just maybe listen to-it again, maybe write down all the points individually that we’ve discussed because I’ve just discussed a ‘whole’-lot of points to consider or ‘flag-point’, but the primary point is, what I suggest you do is, with Marlen, is difusing the ‘Control’-point through Muscle Communication, the ‘Control’-point uhm… ‘Possession’-point, the ‘King’-definition uhm.. and then working-through all these words that we’ve written: ‘Self-Seclusion’, ‘Dominance’, ‘Power’, ‘Aloneness’, ‘Responsibility’, ‘Freedom of Expression’, ‘Living’, ‘Observer’, ‘Participant’ uhm…’positive’, ‘negative’ - I’ve written all the words here so I suggest you… have a look at it
Jorn: yeah if I can take your notes, we’ll use that in an SRA session
Resonance: ‘reacting’ very quickly when a point is not…that whole-‘Design’ where you ‘react’ towards a point that you want-to ‘Control’, instead of it being a ‘Self-Directive’ Application to a Solution – that’s ‘Participation’. ‘Observer’ is: observing the point ‘there’, wanting to ‘Control’-it ‘there’ through making-it part of your ‘Mind-Reality’ as your Current ‘Stance’ within and as ‘Control’
Jorn: yeah, my experience in terms-of this point is it went-on and then turned-out into a Manifested Events, Physical Events that actually like ‘signaled’-me like: ok, it’s time to ‘Stop’ and then actually something-‘happens’ that I realize like: ‘Ok, it’s a fuck-up’
So, I realized like ‘Ok, I’m doing something that is like ‘forceful’ and that is Not ‘me’ and that is Not ‘what I want’’ so, I realized that point when all those events started like ‘compounding’ like in a very short-period, in a ‘domino-effect’ coming down
Resonances: The ‘Physical’ kind of said to you: ‘Hello, where are you?’
Jorn: yeah, definitely experienced that so…and besides that point of ‘this’, I also had like that same night, I had like these dreams about the video-programming stuff that I did, and I had this very strong cramp in my left calve
Resonances: yeah, Judgments, ‘Control’, it’s a ‘Control’-point
Jorn: very nasty stuff so, I was basically done after that with the whole-shit
Resonances: So now you ‘understand’ and see-‘why’. So I suggest use your Muscle Communication with Marlen, maybe have her also listen to the interview I suggest
Jorn: yeah
Resonances: uhm…so that she can, just for her to understand uhm…’where you’re-at’ within ‘your world’ uhm…because at the moment ‘Unconsciously’ she doesn’t yet-know ‘where’ and ‘how’ to ‘place-you’ or ‘how’-to ‘approach’-it, it’s kind of causing a bit of a ‘Experience’-in her
Jorn: yeah, well I ‘shut’-it, basically she can’t ‘get-in’ in any-point so, I recognize that ‘mechanism’ basically that’s present
Resonances: Ok, so allow her in to…
Jorn: yeah
Resonances: I mean, you can have so much fun, I mean really
Jorn: yeah, definitely and you know I want to change this point so I realize that ‘Defensive’-Mechanism that… like ‘bouncing’ it-off basically and that movement I…that you describe of ‘moving around-me’ I ‘see’ what you mean there
Resonances: why would you also do-that in terms-of uhm…’shutting’ ‘that’ point-out, because what Marlen represents is, she represents that ‘point’-of ‘Freedom of Expression’ and ‘Actual Living’ and, that ‘point’ you Can’t-‘Control’
Jorn: No
Resonances: And that is ‘also’ a form-of ‘Resistance’ because, your whole-‘Beingness’ is Manifested within ‘Control’
Jorn: yeah as a ‘Resistance’ basically
Resonances: so you’d ‘Resist’ that ‘Experience’ or ‘Expression’ of her in a way ‘Unconsciously’- it’s not ‘prominent’, but you’ll do it in the way you are ‘Physically-Moving’ uhm…so ‘Observe’…’Participate’ with-her, because in-that you will ‘Automatically’ start ‘Allowing’-yourself to ‘Express’ and ‘Live’- you gotta ‘let go’ of this point of wanting to ‘Control’ your world and reality – Now because ‘you know’ that you can’t ‘Control’ ‘Freedom of Expression’ in any-way whatsoever= you’ll go into-your ‘Mind-Reality’, ‘Allow’-Yourself to be ‘Possessed’ by your ‘Mind-Reality’- why? Because you know in your ‘Mind-Reality’ you can ‘fulfill’ that ‘Need’ for You to ‘Control’, does that make sense?
Jorn: it does
Resonances: therefore you’ll ‘retreat’
Jorn: the same ‘pattern’ or ‘construct’ is in my ‘Mind-Construct’ where I would Create an ‘outer-projection’ to ‘Direct’ basically my ‘thing’ and ‘feel good’ about-myself –so, I Recognize the whole-‘Construct’ that’s ‘Explained’-here
Resonances: So you’ve got a Real ‘gift’-here, ‘accept’-it, ‘embrace’-it and Allow-Yourself to ‘Live’
Jorn: Yes, thank you
Resonances: no, problem.

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Youtube comment: Energy will keep you alive:

My perspective: Interesting - we all die, so already there your theory is based on hope not actuality. So where do you go to after death? You assume that energy remains after death. If you use basic common sense you will notice that energy has a beginning and an end and requires your participation in something for it to run through you like waves - you'll notice within yourself you create this energy through participating in thoughts, feelings/emotions, pictures or fear.
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Youtube Comment: I am doing this daily, charging my thoughts with ultra positivity for the earth, the future will be a positive one for humanity because we will make it so. we know this and are living it now.

My perspective:
So could we please start measuring how much ultra positivity you radiate and by how much rape, war, murder, abuse and greed reduces? Because for the amount of people who have been repeating this bulshit for the last 20 years - I would say that things should be getting better. Your positive thoughts are preventing you from ACTUALLY seeing what is existing and that things are not changing -question is are you willing to give up this illusion or are you only doing this to feel good?
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Youtube comments saying we attack people through our comments – by trying to use guilt on them by saying that we are all responsible for the abuse that exists here.

My perspective: Who lives on this planet? You do. Your channel is all about you boosting and promoting your ego - you don’t actually present any practical solutions - I would start there when taking on dishonesty - because to say: 'guilt trip monologue' to others while you only talk ego - is hypocritical.
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Desteni forum discussion: Compromise within agreements:

My perspective: Establish what it is that you agree upon, then agree what points will be worked on to assist each person with. Within that you communicate and express and sometimes 'problems; arise which might lead to an argument etc.
When this happens you communicate about the points and clarify how each person contributed to that point - and each being within themselves stops, takes self responsibility and self forgives.

Therefore there will be points within the agreement, I have found -where you have to walk through. The point of no compromise is when one or both beings are deliberately allowing old patterns to re-occur without change without self direction. The point of ‘no-compromise – it when the actual point of the agreement is compromised – which is to support each other while directing self in self honest self expression. Compromise in an agreement exists when one being is unwilling to change according to what is best for all – and then manipulates the other person or the agreement to change so that they may remain the same. If within that the being does face points of change – the agreement supports the being – even though difficult - because you understand that the point of the agreement is because each being will face certain points – things are not perfect – but a clear direction within the agreement is your guideline as to what you will accept and allow.
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Youtube comment: if you think or feel you are the manifestation of dishonesty"!? What? So what is the point of us being here then? "Self-honesty cannot exist if the mind exists" You can't drop these in there without a useful explanation, LIFE is the tool for realising who you are.

My perspective: We have published many videos and documents explaining how our participation within pre-programmed thoughts, feelings and emotions has a direct outflow in how the world is created. Look at it for yourself - all world events and abuse - first exists within you as your secret little thoughts and desires and addictions and emotions and feelings. Self honest self expression does not require of me to exist as a emotion or feeling - I AM HERE
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Youtube comment: I disagree. Tradition is necessary. I think people need to know where they come from, they need to connect with their roots. Sure, not all such connections end up bringing a sense of security or enlightenment, but the lack thereof would create an anarchy of societal thought, nothing could ever be done cus everyone is just agreeing to disagree. A certain amount of control is beneficial, it creates order.

My perspective: I am here already – you are already here - so any form of need - such as needing culture or religion is deliberate separation and dishonesty - done by beings who want to be special, want to be protected and want their special personality to be supported by like 'minded' people who will supports each other’s dishonesties - made up to support greed and self gratification. With an equal money system we can stop the methods through which people survive as imagination and hope.
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Desteni forum discussion: Drugs assisted me in calming down and talking:

My perspective: I suggest bring that experience of clarity and calmness that the drugs assisted you with - into your expression one and equal - start noticing yourself as the breath in situations where you would find it difficult talking or just being with yourself. Then take directive principle - and where the drug would have 'taken you into the experience' - you now slow yourself down within breathing to stand AS that point - as self direction.
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Youtube comment on: Religion and equal money:

My perspective: An equal money and equal labour system - will stop many forms of self-abuse and self trying to survive through - culture, religion, society, relationship... Many of these CONstrusts were designed because man fears death through fearing survival through lack of money. Thus give each equal money/equal labour and god won’t exist - god stands as the hope that everything will be 'ok'. Equal living will step forth when there is equal opportunity - therefore hope structures like religion will fall away.
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Youtube comment: Why is Self honesty and self forgiveness linked?

My perspective: By being frankly honest about who you are, what you accept and allow, what you participate in, what you have become - then you self forgive these points of self programming to stand one and equal to what is best for all. Because in SF you don’t ‘delete’ the past - you take responsibility for what you have allowed and change yourself through breath. Physical pain and discomfort shows points of dishonesty – see structural resonance videos/documents on web site

By deliberately 'holding onto that which you will not forgive' is a direct statement of self-sabotage and justification - because what you are saying is that you might talk about not doing the same thing again but in the self abuse of not letting go and walking purified of the past - you are punishing self - and will time loop again into an event where you do something unforgivable again. Self responsibility indicates that you are self aware within your actions to not allow the past again, but also implies that you forgive yourself – otherwise it would not be ‘responsibility towards self.’ In self honesty – one realises the deception of not forgiving self. Not forgiving self is also a point of giving up –and allowing the past to repeat.
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Youtube Comment: You Desteni people don’t allow discussions on your Youtube comments – you attack people that don’t agree with you.

My perspective: No what you will find is that we support practical common sense solutions that all are willing to live and walk as themselves - when people start bringing in beliefs, religion, ascension, self-interest, spirituality, god - as a means of deliberate abdication and justification to not taking self responsibility - we will point it out - and yes that is when people react - because they have defined themselves according to their beliefs - that we show does not support all.
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Desteni Forum post: The secret mind

My perspective: In your post the experience that you are describing is that of you accessing your ‘Secret Mind.’ I make this post because I notice people asking the question often of ‘but what if there are thoughts deep inside me that will actually make my life more exiting/fulfilling?’ If you look at your words and questions with regards to ‘thoughts’ – you are looking for the beautiful, the metaphysical, the mystical – the possibility that some thoughts – hidden somewhere deep within us are actually worth while exploring.

These are the thoughts within the secret mind – which is actually what directs each person. For example: you might consciously have a thought that goes: ‘I want to be special’ – this thought is linked through the subconscious to the emotion and feelings you associate with: feeling special’- this links through to unconscious programming and physical programming that you act out physically – to on a daily basis attempt to experience yourself as ‘feeling special/more than/with purpose.’
Underneath all of this – we have the secret mind. These are the hidden thoughts that are usually accessed as ‘strange’ thoughts such as: I won’t mind having sex with 5 men or I wonder what it would be like to have sex with an animal or maybe one day I will pick up a gun and shoot my family. These are the thoughts that direct your conscious thoughts of for example ‘wanting to feel special.’ These thoughts are hidden because they act as a backdoor – access point. These are thoughts that are triggered I noticed mostly b y symbology, tonality, movements, Impulsing etc: all the deeper trigger points we are not aware of. For example the points within our world we won’t talk about and only suppress. I mean who wants to talk about ‘wondering what it would be like to have sex with an animal?’ Yet it is because we are not willing to look that deep within the secret mind – to have a better understanding of the more ‘superficial’ thoughts based in the conscious, subconscious or unconscious. Because we don’t go into the deeper symbolic programmed thoughts (secret thoughts) – due to our idea of right and wrong – we don’t ever actually unconditionally look at how our day to day thoughts are triggered on a deeper level.

So within your post I see the words and questions you are using to explore your secret mind’s desires. A yearning to find a deeper level to beingness within the functionality of thoughts. Thoughts in their nature are in separation to this physical reality – thus what we repeat at Desteni is that to exist in this world – according to what is best for all – we focus on directing ourselves here in practical common sense. Thus when existing pre-programmed thoughts come up –‘telling us to do something’ – we stop, look at where the thought comes from, why we participate, stop the value system we have created – within that thought – so that we are no longer directed by thoughts – to move us through and as Mind Control. So when one starts peeking into ‘the thoughts that might be beautiful, interesting, fulfilling’ – I suggest take a self honest look at remaining practical within that.

The secret mind thoughts will try to ‘secretly’ find ways for you to survive within your world.
This is why we suggest to people to focus on directing our thoughts that actually support us all here equally – so that eventually we stop having ‘thoughts’ as programmed symbolic responses – dependent on a system functioning – but instead all live as one – walk as one- talk as one. Then thoughts won’t have to ‘pop’ up in our minds telling us according to our systematic programming what to say – who to be.
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Youtube comment: Hope and Belief:

My perspective: Hope implies that you are powerless because you sit and wait for something or someone else to sort out this mess. Believe is useless because it indicates that you have an idea in your mind that is not physically manifested in this world - and thus remains a belief. I suggest focus on what you are actually able to do to direct and find solutions in this world - which you live as yourself.
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Desteni forum discussion: People don’t possess themselves – it’s demons that possess us and the portal gets possessed because she ‘channels’:

My perspective: The portal is a portal not a channel. Demons speak through her. I suggest read through the FAQ especially with regards to demons, the portal, self responsibility and blame.

quote:I don't believe we are the demon possessing ourselves

In your words what you are saying is that you will continue to not take full responsibility for the emotional energetics that you participate in - because you will always fall back on 'but maybe and entity or demon is doing this to me.' I have been demon possessed as well and upon looking back at the experience I realised that this energetic experience of a 'being leaving my body' which I have played with often can be simulated by the mind. Thus I suggest realise that when you experience an entity or demon taking you over - you are creating this experience through your mind. The point here is to not have to 'speculate' - do demons exist or don’t they - the point we suggest at Desteni is: when you start experiencing an entity or demon taking you over – stop and take self responsibility. Look at where you are allowing this.

People assume that demons are responsible for what they experience without ACTUALLY communicating with demons or actually having an effective reference point other than ‘it’s a feeling.’ So I would suggest realise that what you experience is mostly due to what you have read in books.

Quote: My understanding is that demons are the spirits of the nephilim, the hybrid offspring of angels and humans

This is an example of how you have adapted your experiences you accepted and allowed (as you mention in your first post) into hearsay, simply because you don’t stick to basic common sense, but you attach stories, theories and other people’s opinions to what you experienced. Now it brings you to a point of ‘elaborating’ on what demon possession is – instead of actually supporting beings in stopping possession – through stopping what they accept and allow within themselves.

People who speak about demon possession from a knowledge and information perspective do so to entertain themselves – this is indicated in how much fun people have in comparing possession stories and whether their theory about demons outweighs the next person’s. Nobody asks the question, why do demons exist? Why do I accept and allow possession rather than sharing practical solution that each person may utilize to stop themselves from becoming possessed?