Equality, Fears, Hearsay, Labour and Inner Peace

My perspective on Equality:

For equality to exist - we have to look at what we accept and allow to exist within ourselves and our world that allows for separation e.g.: religion, beliefs, opinions, self interest, consumerism. It is at this point of stopping all separation on an individual level that we will all find practical ways to live here equal...

Equal money for all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tEpc8q7MX0
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Dream about fire (taken from www.desteni.co.za/forum): My perspective: I suggest look at the point of survival. You are facing your own survival within the system from the perspective of either being consumed by the fire or getting out and the actuality of walking through those points - this places most people in 'survival mode' which takes them into fear of the future, fear of self, self doubt, hopelessness etc.
A suggestion here is to look at where you are facing decisions with regards to who you are, what you participate in and what you allow within your world. Facing these points and walking them in self direction will assist in clearing the points of survival.
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My perspective on: Hearsay and demons:

Hearsay is when you listen to what other people say about something and then without actually looking at the point for yourself until you are able to present the I-witness account - you go and present what you heard as if that is what happened. So with regards to demons- people have many beliefs and ideas about demons and present their beliefs as if it is fact - yet nobody has actually communicated with demons or developed any method of studying demons that is an actual representation of common sense points that support our development of understanding what is here. Each person views this world through their belief system instead of seeing what is here.

You don’t have to see dimensionally to start looking at the point of demons. Demon possession has existed in various forms for a long time. This has been documented and researched. However beyond that nobody uses basic common sense - in asking where is god, why do demons exist, why do we become possessed - this is dishonest as it indicates that we will allow such beings to exist for our own belief systems - that a god exists and we must fear god or we become possessed by demons. Basic common sense -humans have allowed the existence of demons be it as a metaphorical fear or realising the actuality of their existence – for one reason – to further allow for fear of self responsibility.

Even then - to present a case of demon possession as I-witness will still be subject to who you were when the possession occurred - because each person experience possession differently. For me it was a game that I was playing deliberately so that I did not have to face myself. For others it was their fear of god that allowed the possession. Some possess themselves through their minds because they seek attention. Thus even when presenting an I witness account of a possession – one should take a look at what you believe about what you experienced so that you can present the actuality of your experience within what happened.
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My perspective on: Equal money equal labour:

Yes each city will design/have an infrastructure run by all people participating EQUALLY in the developing and maintenance of resources - because food is not going to grow itself and machines cannot do everything. So from cleaning toilets to birthing babies - labour will become about allocating individuals into roles necessary for the effective running of the city.

The one point humans will have to transcend is the ego (amongst other things) - because doctors will complain about receiving Equal rights to the guy who cleans. Each human will have to Sacrifice something to be able to - exist in a world of Equality. Thus to become a doctor where you study for 6-10 years will be a life decision within doing what is best to support all as yourself – because you realise that value of what you do and how it supports all. The person who decides to take on the role of cleaner – does so because of the realization that this point requires to be done. If labour is also distributed Equally then less time will be spent on doing the work for each human. If machines exist then the labour part for the human will be specific to that which a machine cannot do.

Hand in hand to this will of course go: Self-Honesty. We will have to purify ourselves to stop the way we exist which is based in Self-Interest otherwise -consumerism will still direct the way we live. So each human will face many years and life times of purification either HERE or in the Afterlife – so that we exist here in Oneness and Equality – not Me in Self-Interest. I suggest we start picking this new money system apart to see how such an Infrastructure will work. What points will be accepted and allowed within our expression here e.g.: will we still have televisions?
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Youtube comment: that us saying 2012 is deception – is just our belief

My perspective: What we are suggesting is take responsibility for what you have created here - because to exist in your new age bubble is dishonest - while leaving the consequences of what you have created - for someone else to sort out. That is not a belief system - that is the Actuality of what exists. Common sense: stop self deception, stop hiding, stop projecting. You are here within the physical on this planet. Start taking responsibility for yourself here without hiding behind beliefs.
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My perspective on: 2012: We were Lied to.

That is what happens when we deliberately from childhood allow ourselves to be told by our parents and school and church that there is a big ghost in the sky that will take care of us. Then we grow up and start seeing for ourselves that we are here and responsible for our actions, words, allowances - because what exist within us is manifesting in the world. But instead of developing Self-Honesty and Common Sense -we Deliberately continue with the lie - because it is easier than SELF RESPONSIBILITY.
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My perspective on ‘True Consciousness’ (youtube comment)

True Consciousness is you within your personality Design - Justifying your survival - instead of realising that Consciousness is a Pre-Programmed Design we all accepted and allowed to tell us who we are as Programs that cease to exist at Death. To stand up for Life is to question who you are and what you participate in as YOUR Beliefs, Opinions - they Support you as a Mind Consciousness system - which is what all humans are doing in Self-Interest - I suggest a self honest look at justification.

Some say the world will end some say we will ascend to higher consciousness:
If I make up a story that the End of the world is coming - it is either because I am bored and addicted to the energy I get from spreading stories and conspiracy theories. If I participate in stories that ‘we will all ascend to higher consciousness’ It will be because I have not taken responsibility for myself and what I have accepted and allowed in this world, and now I want to run and hide in the mind reality called Ascension – that allows me to be excused from actually practical change.
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Youtube comment: Lets SK8 away from earth:

My perspective: If you Sk8 away from what you have created here and you continue to participate in your mind bubble in which you live in fantasies called religion, desire, enlightenment - then when you die you become your mind completely and you because the consequence of religion, desire, enlightenment - as it REALLY exist here - to walk through what you allowed - so in afterlife consequences are experienced as actual REAL experiences.

These Consequences in the Afterlife will place you within a physical body Here, that is experiencing that which you Allowed and Accepted And participated in – meaning you will be placed inside a being that is tortured, raped, killed, abused, depressed, starving – so you may walk through the OUTFLOWS and CONSEQUENCES of what happens if we all sit and wait for god to save us, or allow deception, self-interest, lust, enlightened mind realities etc….
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Youtube comment: 'fucking weirdo’s and Satanists probably'

My perspective: This illustrates that your comment is based on your own mind illusions in which you use words you think will impress us and present them according to your fears and opinions. You show that all you are doing is ranting your mouth of because you have said nothing that could possibly be taken in actual consideration. You want to be noticed, and are taking on a topic you have not properly researched or considered – but instead repeating what others have ranted in their deliberate ignorance and spitefulness.

Yes Beliefs are opinions that exists in the Mind of the Believer - a belief is not a physically manifested practical point - or else it would not be a belief. Common sense: one is able to see that to believe is dishonesty - you are allowing opinions within which you participate that are not physically supportive of all here. Belief exists because it allows you to access thoughts and hopes around your self-gratification. Believers - do not consider what is best for all.
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Youtube question: We will continue after 2012:

My perspective: Yes what will exist beyond 2012: we will all continue with our current dishonesty and we will compound what we allow because humans will always seek more and more gratification - and as we are seeing now - the system is collapsing because it cannot support all our dishonesty. Only then once all collapses and we face destruction and families lose everything due to crime, war, disease, hatred, depression – will man finally consider actual solutions and look at the human psyche to find out who we are within the problem.
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Youtube comment: That’s too bad..... I was looking forward to the end!
SEEMS THIS GUY WHO MADE THIS VIDEO KNOWS ALL!

Hah, people in general believe what other people say tooooo much in these times.
If this subject interests you.... DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH.

My perspective: That is the point of the Video: Stop following Beliefs and actually develop Common sense that supports all Life, establish who you are in Self-Honesty, Self Forgiveness and direct yourself here in Self responsibility - then all deception will stop and we will all live Equally according to what is Best for All. The physical is the one point we all exist as – so let us work as the physical to live here, drop all the mind crap that separates us.
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Youtube comment on: Unsubscribing from our videos because we don’t support ‘Light and Love’

My perspective: Wow - so what you are saying is that you do not apply common sense to find out what is best for all because the Light makes you feel so good about yourself. Unsubscribing would imply that you are going to go back to your bubble of light while leaving the world to suffer while you sit in your house that you paid for because you have money and support. The light is a drug which makes you believe you are better than everybody else just because you can read.
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Youtube question about Indigo’s

My perspective: There is more information on the Desteni web site on 'The Design of Indigo's' I suggest look at the common sense that is being presented. The world has been designed to exist as separation so that we may all continue supporting the Current world System, designed around the Currency of Self-Value - which we Support as the Currency of Money. Thus designs within Mind Conscious such as Indigo is another form of separation just like religion, culture, society, personality – which each fight to defend while millions suffer on this planet. We suggest we all stop fighting for our separation as self interest and find ways to co-exists EQUAL and ONE within what is real – the physical.

As soon as you go into your mind and a thought comes up: but this makes me special: I suggest stop and look at how you are directing yourself only within self gratification: An addiction to the energy of being Indigo. Each of us have a point of energy we are addicted to that we will justify as: who we are and will defend that point regardless of how we create the world to serve our self interest.
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Youtube Discussion on Equal Money

My perspective: Have you actually taken a good self honest look at how god exists in this world as Money. Look at it - everything you do and ever have done is to gratify your own needs and to survive in this world. Look at your own comment: you want us to see how in tune you are with some higher understanding - the energy from us paying attention to your comment will give you a feeling of Self-Value.. This Self Value people try and obtain through money or Ego. Have enough money? Then you won’t be on Youtube looking for energy.
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Youtube comment: ‘NOTHING 2 do with The INNER PEACE...that I'm talking about...But ...nice try anyway...u made me laugh’

My perspective: This statement shows your energy addiction. You see that experience that comes up in you like an entity boiling up saying: tell them how at peace we are!! That is energy possession.
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Forum Self Forgiveness on I have more experience than you:

I forgive myself for allowing separation due to terminology as knowledge - which gives me the perception that I know more than other people.
I forgive myself for allowing myself to want to be god and in this adopting many words and ways of communicating - which impress people - because together we have given value to words and their definition as being important or special.
I forgive myself for wanting to place myself within this world as god-consciousness - by adopting and remembering big words which will cause people to shudder in their boots like: Self-Forgiveness, Self-Honesty, Oneness and Equality etc.
I forgive myself for believing that Self Honesty as words is how one builds up experience - instead of realising that actual living change is how one experiences self as life.
I forgive myself for placing value into one experience or expression – due to my own belief structure around good/bad, right/wrong, valid/in-valid – instead of taking all experiences and learning from them equally.
I know more than you:
I forgive myself for believing that what I do is more important than what other people do and thus I design the concept of Clever people versus not so clever.
I forgive myself for designing the idea of mental abilities – this again separates us into the Mind – instead of us finding physically practical ways to live here – instead of depending on intellect to form groups and people within groups to support each other.
I forgive myself for labeling my own words and actions as clever and in this establishing within my world and myself a need for accomplishment – instead of being here in the physical.
I forgive myself for allowing thoughts – that some people are not so clever – if they don’t speak like me or speak my own language or understand something I understand.
I forgive myself for not unconditionally listening to people and allow them to complete their sentence – before attaching value to what they have said: as clever, smart, able, intellectual.
I forgive myself for pressuring myself into performing and being able and clever.
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Youtube video on taking responsibility.

My perspective: What we need to realise is to stop blaming governments and religions - unless we actually look at how we place these institutions in power. When did we separate ourselves into seeing a higher power will save us from what we accept and allow? When did we create spirituality and the soul - was it to try and create an acceptable experience here - through creating energetic feelings we get from being 'spiritual?' Religion and politics are points where we have not directed ourselves in common sense.
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Youtube comment: Energy is matter

My perspective: If we are substance which is all that exists - then why would we be limited to energy which has a beginning and an end? Even at death you as your mind that generated energy for you through the addiction to spirituality -dies - and thus you return to source. In the afterlife you do not exist as energy – here within the physical you exist as energy because you have accepted that you are your mind as polarity. So here we experience ourselves as energy – and then conclude and assume we remain energy after death – who has been to the afterlife to test this?
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Youtube comment: God is dead:

My perspective: God exists as the thoughts of man - because it is our thoughts that create reality because we allow our thoughts to direct us without actually looking at what we are doing. Thus god will only be dead when all take responsibility for ourselves as the thoughts, feelings, emotions, fears, beliefs, opinions, judgments’ that we allow to direct us.
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Youtube comment: I believe in Wicca and the Great ones:

My perspective: The Great Ones were masters created by the White Light - to keep you enslaved to religion. We have found through our investigations into the dimensional existence that all masters, guides, angels were told what to say and how to keep you on your pre-programmed life path - so that while you think you are serving some ethereal mystery - what you are actually doing is remaining in your Wicca bubble - just like people from all religions and beliefs - ignorant of what is really going on here - and unable to stand up for Equal Life – because in being a wiccan with apparent access to these invisible beings (you only experience as feelings and energetics) – you are ‘special’ in this world. Nobody is developing common sense – that the great ones and masters and jesus are not here taking responsibility for us. In fact I suggest look at your reference point of experiences you have during wicca – all self manifested experiences based on energy and feelings that come up inside you. The White Light programmed specific events in your life – that would convince you that the great ones are speaking to you and protecting you. Then you never actually take on the white light about why suffering and abuse is allowed and you will justify why nothing changes because you are addicted to how you experience yourself and the Value you have given yourself as a wiccan. This is dishonesty – because belief is designed around each person’s self interest – not what is actually best for all. If you did what was best for all you would find practical common sense solutions that will serve all Equally – not only you in a bubble of magic, energy, and feelings of power.
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Youtube comment: I have felt demons strangling me with anger.

My perspective: The demons were released and assisted within the dimensional existence more than three years ago - the experiences you have now - are your own Mind as demon forcing you to a point of being possessed by your own fears, anxieties, angers. The Mind now stands as demon and will possess within their dishonesties. I suggest look at the anger towards self that the 'demon' was showing you. Demons have always shown us who we are - as dimensional and mind demons - time to become self honest!
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Youtube comment: You deserve agony for comparing Scientology with reality. It is a false religion which is designed just like the Masonic hierarchy - the people at the top have all the money & power/knowledge & the people at the bottom have disinformation about the top & less money. If any of you excuses/humans want the real truth then google "Code To The Matrix pdf download" for a very highly detailed codex about actual history, documentation on inter dimensional life, the Serpents, the others & much more.
1L!

My perspective: We never said we were into scientology - so firstly your comment starts off within your assumption and lies that you have made up to suit what you are trying to do in these comments. You don’t take the video into consideration and how this information supports us to become self honest about what we have allowed - you want your opinions and beliefs to be justified - because it makes you feel special. 'You deserve agony' - this shows you who you are and how you actually experience you.
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Youtube comment: want find the real answers - go study Scientology.

My perspective: That is merely your opinion. If self is Here as the cause of what exists - then we suggest we all become Self-Honest to stop what we allow, Self Forgiving to stop the cycles of what we allow, Self-Directive to stand as directive principle of what we allow and develop common sense to see what is best for all - SEE NO BELIEFS OR THEORIES REQUIRED. No Separation required where you go into a belief or mind set to try and survive. Direct self here as the physical as breath - That is Real.
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Youtube Comment: DesteniProductions worships Satan and is a New Age Movement.

My perspective: ASSUMPTION: You have never met satan so you would not know if he had an agenda, You have never properly investigated new age movements so you are merely repeating what you've heard other people say. You have not actually investigated what DesteniProductions are saying - thus you immediately jump to conclusions based on your ignorance and fear - I suggest before commenting take out all the satanic new age crap you read about - and develop some common sense skills to actually discuss the topic.
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Youtube comment on OBE’s:

My perspective: We have found in our investigations into the afterlife and interviews with dimensional beings - that Astral traveling and Out of Body Experiences are travels into the realms of the Mind.. That is why you will always experience the same light and points related to your own past, deceased loved ones, desired travels and points you have not dealt with - this is not actually the afterlife - otherwise you would have seen what really exists as the 'design' of the white light.

For example looking back at the out of body experiences I used to have: they were about me seeing a deceased family member who I found it difficult letting go off. The near Death Experiences are points facing physical pain or trauma where the Mind Takes you into a dimension of itself – where you go to – where you experience life changing experiences – these experiences are not real – they are mystical or metaphysical in nature and generally leave the person feeling closer to some personal or spiritual purpose. The experience leaves the person confused about what has been or where to go to from here because it deliberately distances you from what really exist in this world – and you start looking at the deeper meaning to life. There is no deeper meaning, the mind takes you into the point of deeper consciousness as a means of locking you further into the current world system design based on Consciousness. This is how your Mind Consciousness System is re-uploaded with new information as to how you will live out your pre-programmed design.
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Youtube Comment: Ai jai jai, it is such a pity too see people falling over their own feet. Portals have been open for many, many years. Maybe you guys should do a bit more research before you are all led into the palm of satan. Satan can disguise himself very well and this is just proof of that. Well one thing is certain. No amount of darkness can hide a single spark of light ! And please don’t believe everything you "see or channel". It is very clear that you are all very young souls, please do some research!!!!

My perspective: You see now this point fascinates me - you start out your comment as if You are an authority on investigating things for yourself - and then immediately show that you use the biggest ASSumption of them all - to support your OPINION - - SATAN. Have you actually met Satan or are you merely repeating what you've read in books??? So now that we understand your starting point of deliberate deception let's move on: If you have studied the research on DesteniProductions you will find...
That the research into the afterlife, Channels and Portals has shown that no actual Dimensional Access was ever allowed - because beings had to be directed according to their pre-programmed lives - and thus no being was ever actually allowed out of their body - all OBE's were beings going into their Minds. How do you know that your 'Portals' (Channels) have never left their bodies to investigate the actuality of the dimensions - look at your words:

your reference points are: Soul, Spark of Light, Satan - this indicates that your channels were fed information through the white light placements - to only repeat information about the light, love and self consumed spirituality. Channels were told what to say and were never shown how the dimensions or this physical really works. This is how you take a self honest look at the information you have been given - and what is REALLY going on in the world.

What exists in the world was directed by the White light and managed by those dear masters and guides you love so much. The Dimensions were the management section of your pre-programmed life here - that is why heaven never stopped abuse and suffering - heaven as the masters and ascended beings controlled the pre-programmed lives of beings here to further exists within Mind consciousness - to support heaven as 'Energy'
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Youtube comment: We are Energy.

My perspective: Currently we exist as Energy which is a limited system that has a beginning and end and requires our participation through polarity - this you have indicated in your own comment - by mentioning the high and low experience as an example - without ACTUALLY considering the consequence and implication of what you are saying. Consider this: why would ‘who we are’ be limited to an energy system that is bound to how we create energy through our minds? The Mind dies at death and the research you have looked into is not able to see what happens after death. So you are ASSuming that because you are an energy system now – that this is who we are after death. Common sense: how can we be a limited system – as who we are? And according to your research: When who we are is not understood beyond death? Surely who we are is not an energy system dependent on the energetic addictions we rely on as the Mind, supported within this world as CONsciousness? I mean Life is not energy surely because then life would require a battery and then it would not be life it would be energy. Substance as who we are as all that exists, surely cannot be limited down to a singular limited polarity expression as Energy? That would mean that people who don’t require energy as the Mind, who remain stable as the Breath – who are Authorities within stability here as Breath as consistency – over rule Life? Common Sense tells us that a point exists where energy is not required, because whop we are as substance is constant.
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Youtube comment: Drugs assist with Esoteric experiences:

My perspective: Esoteric is an experience created by people within Mind Consciousness programming and dimensions - thus when you use drugs it allows you to go into your Mind and experiences the dimensions of the Mind - be self honest - where are all your Esoteric Experiences: In this physical reality with actual physical measurements? No - they all happen in the Mind - with the observer as director of their own experience – through Self-Interest.
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Youtube comment: I don’t like your video because of…

My perspective Boy oh boy how the Mind has the tendency of diverting attention away from the actual point - to complete useless crap. I suggest look at how your mind wandered off and found excuses to 'not like the video' -see you have been conditioned BY YOURSELF to accept certain things as Valid - based on who you believe yourself to be within the world. Common sense requires of us to stop SELF gratification when we consider a point.
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Desteni Forum discussion on: Patterns as Energy Surges.

My perspective: Patterns show themselves in various ways - the way we think, eat, feel, move, walk, talk, sleep - all points that make up who we are in every moment CONtribute to us as Patterns. Thus for each it might be slightly different but essentially we all exist as the same patterns. Energy for example is one pattern all humans participate in - in some way or another.

So the Question you could ask yourself is when did this experience start?
Why did you create it - meaning what was happening within you at that point - for you to allow the experience.

Do you see the point of standing one and equal as yourself - HERE - which means energy is not who we are - because we are here already? Thus energy movements are merely patterns we have already created within the past. It might have at some point contributed to you feeling a surge which assisted you in a moment in feeling good or it might have come from fear or pain - in which the surge of energy provided you with a sense of enlightenment or relief.

I suggest find the point where you created it and then stand Equal to the point of yourself within stability - to do this I suggest Self Forgiveness on the points through which the patterns was created e.g.: the fear or the need for upliftment - until you remove the point with SF until you Remain here constant.
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Desteni Forum question: Do we think astrology is relevant now?

My perspective: Here is a link to an article written by Alice A. Bailey on The Astrology of Heaven in the times of Revelation
http://desteni.co.za/Osho/astrology.htm

From the Article you will notice that astrology was a chart to show how one’s life fit into and plays a role within the greater unified field design. I suggest watch the videos on Mind Consciousness and the Unified Field. Also take a look through our FAQ on this topic.

Now the gridline placements for each being within our pre-programmed design was removed from within each person. The gridlines within earth according to which each being experiences their lives and moved within this world – was removed. All pre-programmed designs such as blueprints were removed. Now what is left is how we have all already accepted ourselves to be The Mind – because we have already conditioned ourselves to live as Patterns. So what you will find now is that people are not directed through pre-programming any longer. This will obviously have an impact on points such as Astrology because now you won’t have the usual reference points to work with within the Unified Field and the Gridline structures. Each being although still acting out conditioned Patterns will start acting according to two points (I am using basic common sense to write about this) – either beings will allow themselves to become more consumed by their nature –which means humans will become more corrupt, more self centered – remember this is the nature of man – and what we accept and allow within ourselves has a consequence – of which the consequence is we become what we accept – Oneness and Equality.
The next point is people who start applying themselves according to what is best for all – and in this realising that we are to stop our accepted self conditioning to stand one and equal to life.

Common Sense and Practicality Research: The Breath, Indigo's, Energy, Positive thoughts, Compromise, Feelings/Emotions, Drugs and Self Honesty

Desteni forum question: Is in breath and out breath polarities?

My perspective: Breathing in itself is not polarity as it is a physical action that supports the physical and is the actual stability point here as ourselves within THE PHYSICAl. Polarity is the information opposites that have energetic charges within a being depending on the value we have given the information - based on right/wrong, good/bad.
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Youtube comments:

‘Indigos are the colour of the aura and same applies to Rainbow and all special ones there are many different type not just three and you should be scanned the aura that is. Crystal children also have a bond with crystals and will know what they do and can heal with these. I know what I am and don't need anyone to tell me. The reason some list what they are is to help other like them or to help tell if others are. Empaths are those who have empathy for others and can take on peoples illness etc.’
My perspective: No human is 'special' and your comment illustrates how dishonest humans are - we accept and allow live in a world of abuse, torment, poverty, starvation, greed, rape and all you have to say is: 'Indigos are the colour of the aura and same applies to Rainbow and all special ones there are many different type not just three and you should be scanned the aura that is. Crystal children also have a bond with crystals and will know what they do and can heal with these...
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Youtube comment: Energy will keep you alive:

My perspective: Interesting - we all die, so already there your theory is based on hope not actuality. So where do you go to after death? You assume that energy remains after death. If you use basic common sense you will notice that energy has a beginning and an end and requires your participation in something for it to run through you like waves - you'll notice within yourself you create this energy through participating in thoughts, feelings/emotions, pictures or fear.
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Youtube Comment: I am doing this daily, charging my thoughts with ultra positivity for the earth, the future will be a positive one for humanity because we will make it so. we know this and are living it now.

My perspective:
So could we please start measuring how much ultra positivity you radiate and by how much rape, war, murder, abuse and greed reduces? Because for the amount of people who have been repeating this bulshit for the last 20 years - I would say that things should be getting better. Your positive thoughts are preventing you from ACTUALLY seeing what is existing and that things are not changing -question is are you willing to give up this illusion or are you only doing this to feel good?
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Youtube comments saying we attack people through our comments – by trying to use guilt on them by saying that we are all responsible for the abuse that exists here.

My perspective: Who lives on this planet? You do. Your channel is all about you boosting and promoting your ego - you don’t actually present any practical solutions - I would start there when taking on dishonesty - because to say: 'guilt trip monologue' to others while you only talk ego - is hypocritical.
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Desteni forum discussion: Compromise within agreements:

My perspective: Establish what it is that you agree upon, then agree what points will be worked on to assist each person with. Within that you communicate and express and sometimes 'problems; arise which might lead to an argument etc.
When this happens you communicate about the points and clarify how each person contributed to that point - and each being within themselves stops, takes self responsibility and self forgives.

Therefore there will be points within the agreement, I have found -where you have to walk through. The point of no compromise is when one or both beings are deliberately allowing old patterns to re-occur without change without self direction. The point of ‘no-compromise – it when the actual point of the agreement is compromised – which is to support each other while directing self in self honest self expression. Compromise in an agreement exists when one being is unwilling to change according to what is best for all – and then manipulates the other person or the agreement to change so that they may remain the same. If within that the being does face points of change – the agreement supports the being – even though difficult - because you understand that the point of the agreement is because each being will face certain points – things are not perfect – but a clear direction within the agreement is your guideline as to what you will accept and allow.
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Youtube comment: if you think or feel you are the manifestation of dishonesty"!? What? So what is the point of us being here then? "Self-honesty cannot exist if the mind exists" You can't drop these in there without a useful explanation, LIFE is the tool for realising who you are.

My perspective: We have published many videos and documents explaining how our participation within pre-programmed thoughts, feelings and emotions has a direct outflow in how the world is created. Look at it for yourself - all world events and abuse - first exists within you as your secret little thoughts and desires and addictions and emotions and feelings. Self honest self expression does not require of me to exist as a emotion or feeling - I AM HERE
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Youtube comment: I disagree. Tradition is necessary. I think people need to know where they come from, they need to connect with their roots. Sure, not all such connections end up bringing a sense of security or enlightenment, but the lack thereof would create an anarchy of societal thought, nothing could ever be done cus everyone is just agreeing to disagree. A certain amount of control is beneficial, it creates order.

My perspective: I am here already – you are already here - so any form of need - such as needing culture or religion is deliberate separation and dishonesty - done by beings who want to be special, want to be protected and want their special personality to be supported by like 'minded' people who will supports each other’s dishonesties - made up to support greed and self gratification. With an equal money system we can stop the methods through which people survive as imagination and hope.
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Desteni forum discussion: Drugs assisted me in calming down and talking:

My perspective: I suggest bring that experience of clarity and calmness that the drugs assisted you with - into your expression one and equal - start noticing yourself as the breath in situations where you would find it difficult talking or just being with yourself. Then take directive principle - and where the drug would have 'taken you into the experience' - you now slow yourself down within breathing to stand AS that point - as self direction.
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Youtube comment on: Religion and equal money:

My perspective: An equal money and equal labour system - will stop many forms of self-abuse and self trying to survive through - culture, religion, society, relationship... Many of these CONstrusts were designed because man fears death through fearing survival through lack of money. Thus give each equal money/equal labour and god won’t exist - god stands as the hope that everything will be 'ok'. Equal living will step forth when there is equal opportunity - therefore hope structures like religion will fall away.
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Youtube comment: Why is Self honesty and self forgiveness linked?

My perspective: By being frankly honest about who you are, what you accept and allow, what you participate in, what you have become - then you self forgive these points of self programming to stand one and equal to what is best for all. Because in SF you don’t ‘delete’ the past - you take responsibility for what you have allowed and change yourself through breath. Physical pain and discomfort shows points of dishonesty – see structural resonance videos/documents on web site

By deliberately 'holding onto that which you will not forgive' is a direct statement of self-sabotage and justification - because what you are saying is that you might talk about not doing the same thing again but in the self abuse of not letting go and walking purified of the past - you are punishing self - and will time loop again into an event where you do something unforgivable again. Self responsibility indicates that you are self aware within your actions to not allow the past again, but also implies that you forgive yourself – otherwise it would not be ‘responsibility towards self.’ In self honesty – one realises the deception of not forgiving self. Not forgiving self is also a point of giving up –and allowing the past to repeat.
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Youtube Comment: You Desteni people don’t allow discussions on your Youtube comments – you attack people that don’t agree with you.

My perspective: No what you will find is that we support practical common sense solutions that all are willing to live and walk as themselves - when people start bringing in beliefs, religion, ascension, self-interest, spirituality, god - as a means of deliberate abdication and justification to not taking self responsibility - we will point it out - and yes that is when people react - because they have defined themselves according to their beliefs - that we show does not support all.
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Desteni Forum post: The secret mind

My perspective: In your post the experience that you are describing is that of you accessing your ‘Secret Mind.’ I make this post because I notice people asking the question often of ‘but what if there are thoughts deep inside me that will actually make my life more exiting/fulfilling?’ If you look at your words and questions with regards to ‘thoughts’ – you are looking for the beautiful, the metaphysical, the mystical – the possibility that some thoughts – hidden somewhere deep within us are actually worth while exploring.

These are the thoughts within the secret mind – which is actually what directs each person. For example: you might consciously have a thought that goes: ‘I want to be special’ – this thought is linked through the subconscious to the emotion and feelings you associate with: feeling special’- this links through to unconscious programming and physical programming that you act out physically – to on a daily basis attempt to experience yourself as ‘feeling special/more than/with purpose.’
Underneath all of this – we have the secret mind. These are the hidden thoughts that are usually accessed as ‘strange’ thoughts such as: I won’t mind having sex with 5 men or I wonder what it would be like to have sex with an animal or maybe one day I will pick up a gun and shoot my family. These are the thoughts that direct your conscious thoughts of for example ‘wanting to feel special.’ These thoughts are hidden because they act as a backdoor – access point. These are thoughts that are triggered I noticed mostly b y symbology, tonality, movements, Impulsing etc: all the deeper trigger points we are not aware of. For example the points within our world we won’t talk about and only suppress. I mean who wants to talk about ‘wondering what it would be like to have sex with an animal?’ Yet it is because we are not willing to look that deep within the secret mind – to have a better understanding of the more ‘superficial’ thoughts based in the conscious, subconscious or unconscious. Because we don’t go into the deeper symbolic programmed thoughts (secret thoughts) – due to our idea of right and wrong – we don’t ever actually unconditionally look at how our day to day thoughts are triggered on a deeper level.

So within your post I see the words and questions you are using to explore your secret mind’s desires. A yearning to find a deeper level to beingness within the functionality of thoughts. Thoughts in their nature are in separation to this physical reality – thus what we repeat at Desteni is that to exist in this world – according to what is best for all – we focus on directing ourselves here in practical common sense. Thus when existing pre-programmed thoughts come up –‘telling us to do something’ – we stop, look at where the thought comes from, why we participate, stop the value system we have created – within that thought – so that we are no longer directed by thoughts – to move us through and as Mind Control. So when one starts peeking into ‘the thoughts that might be beautiful, interesting, fulfilling’ – I suggest take a self honest look at remaining practical within that.

The secret mind thoughts will try to ‘secretly’ find ways for you to survive within your world.
This is why we suggest to people to focus on directing our thoughts that actually support us all here equally – so that eventually we stop having ‘thoughts’ as programmed symbolic responses – dependent on a system functioning – but instead all live as one – walk as one- talk as one. Then thoughts won’t have to ‘pop’ up in our minds telling us according to our systematic programming what to say – who to be.
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Youtube comment: Hope and Belief:

My perspective: Hope implies that you are powerless because you sit and wait for something or someone else to sort out this mess. Believe is useless because it indicates that you have an idea in your mind that is not physically manifested in this world - and thus remains a belief. I suggest focus on what you are actually able to do to direct and find solutions in this world - which you live as yourself.
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Desteni forum discussion: People don’t possess themselves – it’s demons that possess us and the portal gets possessed because she ‘channels’:

My perspective: The portal is a portal not a channel. Demons speak through her. I suggest read through the FAQ especially with regards to demons, the portal, self responsibility and blame.

quote:I don't believe we are the demon possessing ourselves

In your words what you are saying is that you will continue to not take full responsibility for the emotional energetics that you participate in - because you will always fall back on 'but maybe and entity or demon is doing this to me.' I have been demon possessed as well and upon looking back at the experience I realised that this energetic experience of a 'being leaving my body' which I have played with often can be simulated by the mind. Thus I suggest realise that when you experience an entity or demon taking you over - you are creating this experience through your mind. The point here is to not have to 'speculate' - do demons exist or don’t they - the point we suggest at Desteni is: when you start experiencing an entity or demon taking you over – stop and take self responsibility. Look at where you are allowing this.

People assume that demons are responsible for what they experience without ACTUALLY communicating with demons or actually having an effective reference point other than ‘it’s a feeling.’ So I would suggest realise that what you experience is mostly due to what you have read in books.

Quote: My understanding is that demons are the spirits of the nephilim, the hybrid offspring of angels and humans

This is an example of how you have adapted your experiences you accepted and allowed (as you mention in your first post) into hearsay, simply because you don’t stick to basic common sense, but you attach stories, theories and other people’s opinions to what you experienced. Now it brings you to a point of ‘elaborating’ on what demon possession is – instead of actually supporting beings in stopping possession – through stopping what they accept and allow within themselves.

People who speak about demon possession from a knowledge and information perspective do so to entertain themselves – this is indicated in how much fun people have in comparing possession stories and whether their theory about demons outweighs the next person’s. Nobody asks the question, why do demons exist? Why do I accept and allow possession rather than sharing practical solution that each person may utilize to stop themselves from becoming possessed?